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	<title>Comments on: My Writing on Thoughts: My Thoughts on Writing</title>
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		<title>By: Why @Gruen and I Don&#8217;t Get Along &#8212; Startup Writing</title>
		<link>http://blog.michaelgruen.com/2008/04/02/my-writing-on-thoughts-my-thoughts-on-writing/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>Why @Gruen and I Don&#8217;t Get Along &#8212; Startup Writing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (from my last post). We get along fine. Last night though, we had a little debate after he posted this piece on his blog. The comments section spins out of control a little bit at the end, but [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why @Gruen and I Don&#8217;t Get Along &#171; Brian Burns &#8212; StartupWriting</title>
		<link>http://blog.michaelgruen.com/2008/04/02/my-writing-on-thoughts-my-thoughts-on-writing/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Why @Gruen and I Don&#8217;t Get Along &#171; Brian Burns &#8212; StartupWriting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (from my last post). We get along fine. Last night though, we had a little debate after he posted this piece on his blog. The comments section spins out of control a little bit at the end, but [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://blog.michaelgruen.com/2008/04/02/my-writing-on-thoughts-my-thoughts-on-writing/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking about ideas in a certain way creates pathways in our brains.  So when we think about other ideas, it's much easier obviously to go back to the pathways already created.  You mentioned this in your post.  

Do you think that if your what you say could actually happen, and we could simultaneously access multiple pathways from one line of prose, these pathways would ultimately meet at a common place?  That would be pretty amazing.

And, if they never meet, quite possibly that's all the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking about ideas in a certain way creates pathways in our brains.  So when we think about other ideas, it&#8217;s much easier obviously to go back to the pathways already created.  You mentioned this in your post.  </p>
<p>Do you think that if your what you say could actually happen, and we could simultaneously access multiple pathways from one line of prose, these pathways would ultimately meet at a common place?  That would be pretty amazing.</p>
<p>And, if they never meet, quite possibly that&#8217;s all the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gruen</title>
		<link>http://blog.michaelgruen.com/2008/04/02/my-writing-on-thoughts-my-thoughts-on-writing/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren: "In fact, why would I ever need to communicate my exact thoughts to another person? Would I even want to understand another person’s thoughts exactly? What would that level of understanding get me?"

I don't know! That's the point. We use writing to communicate a singular point, and I wonder if our penchant for pointed language limits us to understanding things. 

What if you could simultaneously (and unambiguously) understand multiple view points in one line of prose? What would happen? Where could we go from there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren: &#8220;In fact, why would I ever need to communicate my exact thoughts to another person? Would I even want to understand another person’s thoughts exactly? What would that level of understanding get me?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know! That&#8217;s the point. We use writing to communicate a singular point, and I wonder if our penchant for pointed language limits us to understanding things. </p>
<p>What if you could simultaneously (and unambiguously) understand multiple view points in one line of prose? What would happen? Where could we go from there?</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://blog.michaelgruen.com/2008/04/02/my-writing-on-thoughts-my-thoughts-on-writing/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An idea is refined in order to communicate the idea effectively in words.  But two people can never hold the exact same idea.  Even if an idea is conceived together (which is the only real way to have two individuals equally participating in one idea), each person's idea will inevitably diverge at a point.  But by refining it precisely, whether or not the idea was conceived together, each person has his own point from which to begin thinking about it.

I cannot help but think of my favorite precise writer, Emily Dickinson.  Her words were the birth of many of my ideas, but I am confident that they were not the same as her ideas.  Arguably, that is the point of (reading) creative writing.  

But beyond creative writing, and back to thoughts and ideas in general, would I ever want to hold the exact same ideas as anyone else?  In fact, why would I ever need to communicate my exact thoughts to another person?  Would I even want to understand another person's thoughts exactly?   What would that level of understanding get me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An idea is refined in order to communicate the idea effectively in words.  But two people can never hold the exact same idea.  Even if an idea is conceived together (which is the only real way to have two individuals equally participating in one idea), each person&#8217;s idea will inevitably diverge at a point.  But by refining it precisely, whether or not the idea was conceived together, each person has his own point from which to begin thinking about it.</p>
<p>I cannot help but think of my favorite precise writer, Emily Dickinson.  Her words were the birth of many of my ideas, but I am confident that they were not the same as her ideas.  Arguably, that is the point of (reading) creative writing.  </p>
<p>But beyond creative writing, and back to thoughts and ideas in general, would I ever want to hold the exact same ideas as anyone else?  In fact, why would I ever need to communicate my exact thoughts to another person?  Would I even want to understand another person&#8217;s thoughts exactly?   What would that level of understanding get me?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gruen</title>
		<link>http://blog.michaelgruen.com/2008/04/02/my-writing-on-thoughts-my-thoughts-on-writing/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course writing and the writing process, in itself, is creative. 

But, I think we need to refine ideas because they make thoughts easier to communicate with writing, not because they necessarily need to be refined.

Why can't we embed all of the angles in writing? Why do you include only what you 'need'? Writing limits what you can communicate, and in its restrictiveness, it stifles creativity. (But, it does make writing more creative.)

I do also think that restriction can foster creativity, but that's only if you embrace it. 

This is why this post is filed under "thoughts" and not "declarations". :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course writing and the writing process, in itself, is creative. </p>
<p>But, I think we need to refine ideas because they make thoughts easier to communicate with writing, not because they necessarily need to be refined.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we embed all of the angles in writing? Why do you include only what you &#8216;need&#8217;? Writing limits what you can communicate, and in its restrictiveness, it stifles creativity. (But, it does make writing more creative.)</p>
<p>I do also think that restriction can foster creativity, but that&#8217;s only if you embrace it. </p>
<p>This is why this post is filed under &#8220;thoughts&#8221; and not &#8220;declarations&#8221;. <img src='http://blog.michaelgruen.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By writing precisely about complicated matters, you are creating new ways for people to understand something that they may not have understood before, you are making it require less intelligence to understand something.  

The paradoxical thing about creativity is after you do something creative, it ceases being creative.  Non-writing activities seem more creative than writing because there are only so many letters and words but essentially infinite gestures, colors, shapes etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By writing precisely about complicated matters, you are creating new ways for people to understand something that they may not have understood before, you are making it require less intelligence to understand something.  </p>
<p>The paradoxical thing about creativity is after you do something creative, it ceases being creative.  Non-writing activities seem more creative than writing because there are only so many letters and words but essentially infinite gestures, colors, shapes etc.</p>
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		<title>By: brianlburns</title>
		<link>http://blog.michaelgruen.com/2008/04/02/my-writing-on-thoughts-my-thoughts-on-writing/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>brianlburns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A (slight) counterpoint... I'm a writer. I have to! 

I consider the writing process to be creative. I have an idea (or if it's you were talking about, have many ideas at once), and then I work through the writing process to refine that idea. I roll it over, I look at it from different angles, I talk about it out-loud myself, and finally, when I've got what I want, I write it down in the most precise way I can. In other words, I go through the creative process, get the lesson I need to get from the subject, and then I write. 

After all that, why would I need to revisit it? That's like drawing up a house plan, pouring the foundation, building the frame, doing the finish work, and then afterwards, tearing it down and re-doing it. All for the sake of creativity? No. You just move onto the next house (and the next creative process). 

That's what makes sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A (slight) counterpoint&#8230; I&#8217;m a writer. I have to! </p>
<p>I consider the writing process to be creative. I have an idea (or if it&#8217;s you were talking about, have many ideas at once), and then I work through the writing process to refine that idea. I roll it over, I look at it from different angles, I talk about it out-loud myself, and finally, when I&#8217;ve got what I want, I write it down in the most precise way I can. In other words, I go through the creative process, get the lesson I need to get from the subject, and then I write. </p>
<p>After all that, why would I need to revisit it? That&#8217;s like drawing up a house plan, pouring the foundation, building the frame, doing the finish work, and then afterwards, tearing it down and re-doing it. All for the sake of creativity? No. You just move onto the next house (and the next creative process). </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what makes sense to me.</p>
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